Addiction: High on you

All you need to know on addiction can be found here.

Posted by Liz Madsen on March 2, 2009 at 6:16 pm
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    liberatedself Says:

    So the root of it is that people are addicted to suffering. Given that addiction is the state of being in which the body craves world-appearance things, and because people attach themselves to the body and its pleasure, it merely serves as a roadblock. So why not give up the notion of addiction and the notion of anything that seems to cause it for, addiction only exists as long as you believe you’re addicted to it. Giving up the need to be the body is probably one of the biggest addictions, cutting it at its source puts the body at rest and therefore addiction ceases, it gives up all notion of body, or addiction. These are both false representations.

    I love your post on this because it really been something I’ve been battling recently. I’ve been working on the notion of everything merely being a notion for some time even in the extent of love, that nothing is satisfactory that lasts in world appearance, maybe for some time, but there is not one thing that ever stays constant in world appearance. the appearance of love is not love, for Love does not cause suffering.

    To whom is to suffer? When you have not lost anything, who suffers and for what reason. This also brought the concept of the body, which, where is there the I in the body? There is flesh, blood, bone, cells, the brain, where is there the “I” in it? If the bodies limb was cut from itself, would that arm still be “your” limb and would you still be I without that limb or only partially “I”? This is not an exception (only if you try and justify it to yourself but you are not the body is what I’m getting at.) So if this is the case then why allow such things that only affect the body, to affect You? Only because of the illusion of what your True Nature is, thus why addiction has any power at all. Merely seeing the appearance of addiction as not being what the word states it is, loosens its grips.

    Addiction, I, the body are illusions of what actually is, and like was sort of pointed out that everything is an addiction for the bodies “survival” It needs for pleasure and then it keeps “needing” (attachment which is another illusion of the body) until it can’t get enough and then causes intense suffering or pain. Pleasure is only the gaps in between world-appearance pain, although neither one actually exists, they only exists because you manifest them to exist. Dropping the notion that they are there, weakens them.

    Establish the Self in the Self and drop all notion of world appearance, Everything exists in Brahman (or God, or Universal Consciousness) and what need is there for addiction if you are all? Why settle for world appearance when you can be established in the All

    Sorry for the rant Liz, haha, point is, I liked your take on it. ;)

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    Liz Madsen Says:

    Liberatedself… I don’t know. As you said, the body’s the vessel for this world. And if you got the body then you got the body. You can’t ignore it, whatever you might be part of or go to after death.

    You have mentioned that even what you’re saying are thoughts. Have you not? And thoughts are in connection to the body, are they not?

    And everything indeed just IS, but it’s not that simple. It never IS. :P

    I’m not necessarily battling something. I’m just trying to escape pain as most of us are.

    Question is… Why? Why are we trying to escape pain and can’t just let it be?

    Useless thoughts anyway… Everything just is. ;)

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    liberatedself Says:

    Oh by no means ignore it, what is there to ignore? But who really has the body, the I sense is only an illusive attachment. The body is an illusion of the infinite consciousness and merely play in it just like the rest of the world appearance. Everything takes care of itself, but to fear death when death is but a word just as the world is a word, a notion that is manifested within the universal consciousness.

    To whom has said what, do thoughts not merely happen? The body isn’t the doer of the thought, the body only appears to live due to You. You are the source of its “life” and you are the source of its “death” but they are not different, though appearing to be dual, they are one and the same, whether the body lives or dies, does not impact Your State. (or Nature)

    Maybe it seems as if it isn’t simple but when did the question of difficulty or simplicity ever arise, who is it arising from and why? The only thing that applies to is the idea that you are a body.

    The question of pain arises because of attachment to the body, knowing True Nature alleviates the desire and attachment to world-appearance. Thus pain never arises, people only try to escape it because the body is attached to said desire, so therefore when the expectation or outcome isn’t met, the body suffers from the attachment. However knowing the mechanism of attachment allows it to fade. You don’t ignore it but merely watch it lovingly and letting it fade just as any thought does. Let it reside in you as it is just as much a part of universal consciousness as the feeling of love, happiness, joy, etc. Nothing is outside of universal consciousness or the Absolute (or God ;) )

    The thought is definitely not useless, its a very important process in which you enquire so that Your True Nature becomes more ground in itself. That is why i love talking to you, not because of the difference, but because You and I both benefit from it in some way regardless. If you don’t agree you don’t agree but at least you come to know more and more of what you may believe and the same goes for me. :)

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    Liz Madsen Says:

    The body may not be the doer of the thought, but the second hand information surely could be.

    Why fear? Fear does not exist. And if it does not exist, just like everything is or isn’t, why do you speak of fear? :P

    LOL

    Why should we look at something with love? Why can’t one of the universal feelings be anger or hatred? How do you know it’s not? Just because love feels good and hatred does not? I was just wondering last night, why should I go after things I love in life. Why shouldn’t I go after things I hate? Just because of pleasure and happiness? I’m going cuckoo here.

    Anyhew… I’ll stick with IS and ISN’T, part of the whole and other things I’ve previously mentioned.

    Not everything makes sense to me, of course. :P

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    liberatedself Says:

    The second hand information is only the information that feeds the intellect, nothing more. How can the body possibly be the doer of second hand information when there is no body to begin with except the one collective whole, who is there to feed it with second hand information?

    Rightly so, fear is only an illusion or a fraction of what truth is, this goes for the same of love and hate, there is not a difference in either one, the concept of mind only manifests the difference. The question of what emotions do and don’t exist never arise because they all together are part of universal consciousness, and there is no distinguishing from one to the other. There is no difference, and you are definitely on the right track.

    In respect to the body, fear does exist though, for the fact that the concept of the body will diminish, the fear that its concepts survival stays manifest, because of ignorance of the truth, it fears the death of itself, and why wouldn’t it?

    As long as you are firmly attached to the concept of the body, all those concepts of emotions and this is this and this is that will exist for you in a personal way (but you are in a personal reality, even if you are illuding yourself into it)

    This is the Maya (or Illusion) the nature of Illusion is to appear real. Therefore it manifests as being real.

    All emotion is manifest because of the attachment of the body, in Absolute these do not manifest, they are not false yet they are not true. If that makes sense.

    ^_^

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